Comments on: Freedom to Think /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2007/11/09/freedom-to-think/ Anime, Games, J-Pop and Whatever Else Sun, 05 Jun 2011 14:44:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Ubiquitial /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2007/11/09/freedom-to-think/comment-page-1/#comment-258746 Ubiquitial Wed, 09 Sep 2009 01:14:17 +0000 /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2007/11/09/freedom-to-think/#comment-258746 Wasn't tht quote from volitare? Wasn’t tht quote from volitare?

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By: TP /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2007/11/09/freedom-to-think/comment-page-1/#comment-94006 TP Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:29:43 +0000 /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2007/11/09/freedom-to-think/#comment-94006 If I can take <a href="http://drmchsr0.wordpress.com/2007/11/11/taking-a-look-at-the-flipside-why-japan-is-screwing-itself-part-1-of-2-on-censorship/" rel="nofollow">drmchrs0's take on censorship</a>, it'd be rather disappointing not to hotlink the famous <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came..." rel="nofollow">Martin Niemöller's poem</a>. If the price of civil liberty is eternal vigilance, then so be it. The onus will must lay on the civil populace. By literal denotation, democracy is "rule by the people." Hence rights and responsibilities also lie on the general people to ensure those liberties are not whittle away. Unfortunately, the very same democratic rules also suffer from "majority-minority dichotomy", where at the expense of minority rights, the policies rule the majority. Somehow the Swiss model of democracy is increasingly deafened by all sorts of populism models of democracy. Not to mentioned the increasingly restriction of civil liberties from formerly democratic institutions (guess which country I'm inferring to). So in short, all of us <b>must</b> play a part in ensuring a lively debate. Because, when they come for you, <blockquote>"And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."</blockquote> If I can take drmchrs0′s take on censorship, it’d be rather disappointing not to hotlink the famous Martin Niemöller’s poem.

If the price of civil liberty is eternal vigilance, then so be it. The onus will must lay on the civil populace. By literal denotation, democracy is “rule by the people.” Hence rights and responsibilities also lie on the general people to ensure those liberties are not whittle away.

Unfortunately, the very same democratic rules also suffer from “majority-minority dichotomy”, where at the expense of minority rights, the policies rule the majority. Somehow the Swiss model of democracy is increasingly deafened by all sorts of populism models of democracy. Not to mentioned the increasingly restriction of civil liberties from formerly democratic institutions (guess which country I’m inferring to).

So in short, all of us must play a part in ensuring a lively debate. Because, when they come for you,

“And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up.”

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By: Fabian /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2007/11/09/freedom-to-think/comment-page-1/#comment-93434 Fabian Sat, 10 Nov 2007 13:39:37 +0000 /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2007/11/09/freedom-to-think/#comment-93434 I think one of the biggest problems about all this is that the majority of people just doesn't care unless they are directly affected by something. Therefore they ignore what happens around them and the chopping of their rights and the tightening of censorship laws will go on. Once they realize their mistake it will be too late already. Where I live this is what happens all the time since 911. It was just yesterday that our parliament passed a law that forces our internet service and cellular phone providers to storage every connection data for at least 6 months. Currently this law restricts the access to this data to authorities investigating against people that are suspected of severe crimes or terrorism. That public outcry was rather quiet and the mass media largely ignored this topic. Obviously, the majority of people didn't care because they are neither criminals nor terrorists, but I guess it just takes a few cruel crimes that are heavily exploited by the mass media (+politicians) or a little bit of lobbying on the part of the content industry to widen the access to the data. Something similar happened around 2002 when some attention wh.. err I mean politicians wanted the police to be able to spy on everyone's banking account to find terrorists and criminals. Back then the public outcry was pretty quiet, too. Nowadays pretty much every government agency has an easy access to everyone's banking account. When it comes to censorship and civil liberties it's better to fight the beginnings instead of waiting until it's too late. But this is easier told than done when everyone around you simply doesn't care and/or ignorantly trusts their leaders. I think one of the biggest problems about all this is that the majority of people just doesn’t care unless they are directly affected by something. Therefore they ignore what happens around them and the chopping of their rights and the tightening of censorship laws will go on. Once they realize their mistake it will be too late already.

Where I live this is what happens all the time since 911. It was just yesterday that our parliament passed a law that forces our internet service and cellular phone providers to storage every connection data for at least 6 months. Currently this law restricts the access to this data to authorities investigating against people that are suspected of severe crimes or terrorism.

That public outcry was rather quiet and the mass media largely ignored this topic. Obviously, the majority of people didn’t care because they are neither criminals nor terrorists, but I guess it just takes a few cruel crimes that are heavily exploited by the mass media (+politicians) or a little bit of lobbying on the part of the content industry to widen the access to the data.

Something similar happened around 2002 when some attention wh.. err I mean politicians wanted the police to be able to spy on everyone’s banking account to find terrorists and criminals. Back then the public outcry was pretty quiet, too. Nowadays pretty much every government agency has an easy access to everyone’s banking account.

When it comes to censorship and civil liberties it’s better to fight the beginnings instead of waiting until it’s too late. But this is easier told than done when everyone around you simply doesn’t care and/or ignorantly trusts their leaders.

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By: manga /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2007/11/09/freedom-to-think/comment-page-1/#comment-93417 manga Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:04:27 +0000 /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2007/11/09/freedom-to-think/#comment-93417 One part of me wants to go on a rampage... but that would only prove the point so I´m calm. One part of me is laughing so hard tears are starting to fall since how much more stupid can the humans get? The answer? Infinity. This third part of me is telling me that this is just the usual shit since we´ve had movies, we´ve had extra much that videogames bring fourth violence and now it´s time for anime. The only thing that´s missing now is that someone kills a politicial here in Sweden and says he/she was under the Hinimazawa(or how it´s spelled from Higurashi) syndrome... So my best solution for this? Keep your eyes on what happends, but do nothing since then it´s like adding fuel on a fire, it only burns stronger and longer. And then again, when will people learn that anime/videogames are fiction? Why not stop everything then? Books like Harry Potter since it brings our children to think they can fly with a broom and thus go into suicide mode when they try to fly. The show must go on... One part of me wants to go on a rampage… but that would only prove the point so I´m calm.

One part of me is laughing so hard tears are starting to fall since how much more stupid can the humans get? The answer? Infinity.

This third part of me is telling me that this is just the usual shit since we´ve had movies, we´ve had extra much that videogames bring fourth violence and now it´s time for anime.
The only thing that´s missing now is that someone kills a politicial here in Sweden and says he/she was under the Hinimazawa(or how it´s spelled from Higurashi) syndrome…

So my best solution for this? Keep your eyes on what happends, but do nothing since then it´s like adding fuel on a fire, it only burns stronger and longer.

And then again, when will people learn that anime/videogames are fiction? Why not stop everything then? Books like Harry Potter since it brings our children to think they can fly with a broom and thus go into suicide mode when they try to fly.
The show must go on…

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By: Some Random Bloke /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2007/11/09/freedom-to-think/comment-page-1/#comment-93309 Some Random Bloke Sat, 10 Nov 2007 04:26:53 +0000 /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2007/11/09/freedom-to-think/#comment-93309 @Beowulf Saying that it will all blow over is being far to optimistic. IIRC it was one of the US presidents that said that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. What if it doesn't blow over? It's always the small liberties that go first, with politicians and media saying that it was for the good of us all. The thing that concerns me the most is the small chipping away of everyone's rights until there is nothing left for anyone. @Beowulf

Saying that it will all blow over is being far to optimistic. IIRC it was one of the US presidents that said that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. What if it doesn’t blow over? It’s always the small liberties that go first, with politicians and media saying that it was for the good of us all.

The thing that concerns me the most is the small chipping away of everyone’s rights until there is nothing left for anyone.

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By: Tsubaki /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2007/11/09/freedom-to-think/comment-page-1/#comment-93306 Tsubaki Sat, 10 Nov 2007 04:13:16 +0000 /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2007/11/09/freedom-to-think/#comment-93306 The elections are drawing near, no? The elections are drawing near, no?

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By: Beowulf Lee /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2007/11/09/freedom-to-think/comment-page-1/#comment-93258 Beowulf Lee Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:35:55 +0000 /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2007/11/09/freedom-to-think/#comment-93258 Ack. You people are over reacting. Remember Jack Thompson and Columbine? The violence in video games hasn't suffered a bit. And Thompson now is a famous idiot. Once the scandal driven Japanese media has someone else to shoot at, loli's and tentacles will once again be churned out at a steady rate. Ack. You people are over reacting. Remember Jack Thompson and Columbine? The violence in video games hasn’t suffered a bit. And Thompson now is a famous idiot. Once the scandal driven Japanese media has someone else to shoot at, loli’s and tentacles will once again be churned out at a steady rate.

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By: Kyoji /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2007/11/09/freedom-to-think/comment-page-1/#comment-93253 Kyoji Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:09:01 +0000 /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2007/11/09/freedom-to-think/#comment-93253 Don't ban the material but make access to them much tighter. Only let the people who are old enough to know it's all fake and can control their thoughts have access. People do get influenced, especially children. Take the Death Note manga in China for instance. Writing a name in a black note book won't really kill someone but when you know WHY they are doing it, the damage is already done. I think it can get even worse if a person becomes depressed or emotionally unstable and these ideas unconsciously etched into the back of their minds suddenly floats to the surface as their next course of action. On the other hand, if you completely rid the world of this fictional material, entertainment would be too generic and dang boring. So no, don't ban creative work because they can be influential. Don’t ban the material but make access to them much tighter. Only let the people who are old enough to know it’s all fake and can control their thoughts have access. People do get influenced, especially children.

Take the Death Note manga in China for instance. Writing a name in a black note book won’t really kill someone but when you know WHY they are doing it, the damage is already done. I think it can get even worse if a person becomes depressed or emotionally unstable and these ideas unconsciously etched into the back of their minds suddenly floats to the surface as their next course of action.

On the other hand, if you completely rid the world of this fictional material, entertainment would be too generic and dang boring. So no, don’t ban creative work because they can be influential.

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By: andreas /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2007/11/09/freedom-to-think/comment-page-1/#comment-93250 andreas Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:50:41 +0000 /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2007/11/09/freedom-to-think/#comment-93250 Well, being from Germany I'm used to politicians blaming random stuff for murders and other crimes. (e.g. "Killerspiele" in Germany....) Still sucks. Didn't think other countrys would be as stupid as we. And no Japan out of all. Well, being from Germany I’m used to politicians blaming random stuff for murders and other crimes. (e.g. “Killerspiele” in Germany….)
Still sucks. Didn’t think other countrys would be as stupid as we. And no Japan out of all.

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By: Josh /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2007/11/09/freedom-to-think/comment-page-1/#comment-93198 Josh Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:38:52 +0000 /websites/www.darkmirage.com-pre/2007/11/09/freedom-to-think/#comment-93198 ">sombre fix’ed ~desu" Sombre is correct English. Somber is correct American English. “>sombre

fix’ed ~desu”

Sombre is correct English.
Somber is correct American English.

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