Odex goes International!
UPDATE 20/11/2007: I have confirmations from an Odex employee that the whole thing was a mistake made by BayTSP. LOL. Show’s over, guys. Expect damage control to kick in soon.
UPDATE AGAIN: It seems that I wasn’t too clear. I have independent confirmation from a current Odex employee that the whole thing was a mistake. This is not based on any comments left in this entry, but rather first hand information from the employee himself.
UPDATE 21/11/2007: Read The New Paper’s article. LOL.
Okay, now the shit really hits the fan. After months of silence, Odex has resumed its attack, this time on an international scale. If you’ve been living under a rock for the past year or so and don’t know who Odex is, please refer to Wikipedia.
Godwin’s Law be damned
Reports are emerging that people from USA, France, Japan and probably various other countries are receiving warnings from their ISPs about illegal anime downloads.
In particular, the French ISP Club Internet and the Japanese ISP USEN attached logs from BayTSP, sent on behalf of Odex, with their warning e-mails. This clearly identifies Odex/AVPAS as the source of the infringement complaints. USA’s Comcast did not identify the right holder, but the timing of this whole thing and the similar format of the logs indicate that this is probably not a coincidence.
Odex is definitely responsible for the warnings.
Some important paragraphs from the e-mails included after the break.
Club Internet (France)
Club Internet – T-Online FranceName
address
FranceCountryDear Sir or Madam:
BayTSP, Inc. (“BayTSP”) swears under penalty of perjury that it is authorized to act on behalf of ODEX Private Limited/Anti Video Piracy Association (Singapore) (collectively known as ODEX/AVPAS), the exclusive licensees and/or authorized agents of the owners of copyright materials and interests (the Copyright Owners) that is protected in Singapore under applicable copyright laws in force and enacted pursuant to various international treaties. BayTSP’s search of the protocol listed below has detected infringements of exclusive copyright interests on your IP addresses as detailed in the attached report.
BayTSP has reasonable good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of in the attached report is not authorized by the Copyright Owners, their agents, or the law. The information provided herein is accurate to the best of our knowledge. The attached documentation specifies the exact location of the infringement.
Attachment:
Contact BayTSP, authorized agent for ODEX PRIVATE LIMITED/AVPAS at the address listed above or via email should you have any concerns or questions at compliance@baytsp.com. Also please note that this infringement notice contains an XML tag that can be used to automate the processing of this data.
Evidentiary Information:
Notice ID: 61192
Asset: Ouran High School Host Club
Protocol: BitTorrent
IP Address: 89.85.xx.xx
DNS: i07v-89-85-xx-xx.d4.club-internet.fr
File Name:
[Nerae]_Ouran_High_School_Host_Club_22_[57603381].avi
File Size: 370843648
Timestamp: 11 Nov 2007 06:17:33 GMT
Last Seen Date: 11 Nov 2007 06:17:33 GMT
URL: http://bt.nerae.com:7072/announce
Username (if available):
[ Source: bikasuishin ]
USEN GyaO Hikari (Japan)
株式会社 ＵＳＥＮ
いつも「GyaO 光」をご利用いただき、誠にありがとうございます。
この度外部より、「221.251.XXX.XXX」のIPアドレスにて各企業・個人が著作権 を有するデータを公開しているとのご連絡を受けております。弊社にて確認させて頂きましたところ、「ＰＩＮＡＮＳＫＹＳＡＭＵＥＬ」様のご利用の環境から送信された事が判明致しました。
著作者に無断で複製・記載・加工・使用等をする行為は、著作権の侵害にあたります。弊社約款上、「 当社もしくは他人の知的財産所有権（特許権、実用新案、著作権、意匠権、商標権等）その他の権利を侵害する行為または侵害する恐れのある行為（著作権侵害防止のための技術的保護手段を回避するための情報、機器またはソフトウェア等を流通させる行為を含みます。）」は禁止とさせて頂いており（第29条－(5)－ア）、規約違反行為に関しましては利用停止とさせて頂く場合もございます。
今後とも該当する行為が継続された場合、他のお客様や外部のネットワークに対して迷惑がかかりますため、早急な対応を必要としております。
Attachment:
Contact BayTSP, authorized agent for ODEX PRIVATE LIMITED/AVPAS at the address listed above or via email should you have any concerns or questions at compliance@baytsp.com. Also please note that this infringement notice contains an XML tag that can be used to automate the processing of this data.
Evidentiary Information:
Notice ID: 35082
Asset: SHUGO CHARA
Protocol: BitTorrent
IP Address: 221.251.XXX.XXX
DNS: 221x251xXXXxXXX.ap221.ftth.ucom.ne.jp
File Name:
[Formula]_Shugo_Chara!_-_01_[h264][E1719697].mkv
File Size: 147505790
Timestamp: 12 Nov 2007 12:43:44 GMT
Last Seen Date: 12 Nov 2007 12:43:44 GMT
URL: http://tracker.scarywater.net:443/announce
Username (if available):
[ Source: Quarkboy on AnimeSuki ]
Comcast (USA)
Dear Comcast High-Speed Internet Subscriber:
Comcast has received a notification by a copyright owner, or its authorized agent, reporting an alleged infringement of one or more copyrighted works made on or over Comcast’s High-Speed Internet service (the ‘Service’). The copyright owner has identified the Internet Protocol (‘IP’) address associated with your Service account at the time as the source of the infringing works. The works identified by the copyright owner in its notification are listed below. Comcast reminds you that use of the Service (or any part of the Service) in any manner that constitutes an infringement of any copyrighted work is a violation of Comcast’s Acceptable Use Policy and may result in the suspension or termination of your Service account.
Attachment:
[ Source: aldraek on AnimeSuki ]
The introductory paragraph which identifies BayTSP and Odex/AVPAS was removed from e-mails forwarded by Comcast. But since all three evidential BitTorrent logs share the exact same formatting, there’s not much room for doubt. They were all sent by BayTSP.
Comcast is known for actively interfering with BitTorrent packets on top of throttling, so they are probably overjoyed by this development. Bastards.
Does anyone know if Odex won its case against Pacific Internet? Judging by this latest bold move, I would guess that it did. But still, does anyone have confirmations?
Is this the beginning of the end of fansubbing? Will Odex succeed? Can they handle the backlash that is on its way? And is the cake really a lie? Find out in the next episode!
UPDATE: By the way, the Wikipedia article is outdated. The hearing for Odex vs PacNet was indeed postponed by the judge, but the rescheduled hearing took place three days ago on the 16th. You can read the court document in PDF. (Scroll down to page 19.)
I believe that the timing of this can’t possibly be a coincidence. So, once again, does anyone know what the ruling was?
November 19th, 2007 at 9:05 pm
Question is … So is xdcc and ddl still safe?
November 19th, 2007 at 9:07 pm
According to the Wikipedia entry[1] related to this case,
“The appeal began on 2007-10-03 before Justice Woo Bih Li in the High Court, and the first session was adjourned to allow Odex add more affidavits in support of its appeal.[9] Odex flew Mark Ishikawa (CEO of BayTSP) and representatives of four Japanese studios, including TV Tokyo and Toei Animation, into Singapore to help the company prepare and testify. The Japanese companies announced their intention to file lawsuits themselves should Odex fail. The High Court has yet to set a new hearing date.[9]
”
[1]
[9] High Court adjourns Odex’s appeal to give lawyers more time, Chua Hian Hou, The Straits Times, 2007-10-03 ()
November 19th, 2007 at 9:09 pm
Fansubs will prevail!! Even if it has to go underground!
ODEX WILL NEVER SUCCEED!! OTAKUS UNITE!!
ODEX WILL FALL BENEATH THE MIGHT OF A MILLION ANIME FANS!!!!
THE CAKE IS A LIE!!!
November 19th, 2007 at 9:10 pm
l-lawliet: Yes, definitely.
Rasqual: I am pretty sure that wiki entry is outdated.
November 19th, 2007 at 9:54 pm
Odex *might* have actually been able to control illegal downloading in Singapore alone. The anime community in SG isn’t that big, at least, not as big as other countries.
But to go against the anime community of the world (Yes, it’s possible to use the term ‘world’ considering that France, USA and of cource, Japan, are probably the top 3 countries with the most number of anime fans) is just insane.
Haha, I wonder if Stephen Sing/Odex bashing will be the new 4Chan meme… Bring on the “death threats”!!
November 19th, 2007 at 10:09 pm
I mus say Odex really need to work on their PR, given that the opening words of the first main paragraph of their Wiki article are ‘Basically Odex is the most hated name . . .’
November 19th, 2007 at 10:14 pm
This is absurd. Odex do not hold the licensing rights in those countries and are not legal representatives of the Japanese right-holders there, even if they are recognized as such here in Singapore.
One thing you all might wish to take note of is the Screenwriters’ Guild strike in America. They are on strike mainly because of the outdated contracts on new media and their cut of the profits. It might not be directly related to anime but it is likely to have a large impact on how the authorities deal with filesharing and other forms of multimedia entertainment in the future.
Btw for those using Japanese P2P software.
Are perfectdark and share still safe?
November 19th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
Hey, law student/otaku here.
Just to let the community know that while a hearing may be a scheduled for a certain day, the proceedings themselves – particularly for civil litigation may take a few months and the ruling of the court will probably take some time as well. I’m checking all the domestic legal databases to see if a summary is out.
November 19th, 2007 at 10:16 pm
@Qad
Don’t forget Italy! The Italian subs actually usually appear earlier than the French subs on tokyotosho, at least for the anime I watch.
November 19th, 2007 at 10:16 pm
Yay, another SME successfully going international, the powers that be must be so proud.
On a more serious note, sending a violation notice to a Japanese ISP for something that should be on free-to-air TV is a bit strange (to say the least) does ODEX even have the right in those countries???
November 19th, 2007 at 10:27 pm
It appears that Odex does indeed have the specific permission of the Japanese studios to carry this out.
But whether or not copyright holders can legally delegate such duties to an unrelated third party, I am not sure. You have to consult your local laws.
November 19th, 2007 at 10:28 pm
No, ODEX have no right in France and in the example, Ouran Host Club is not licensed in France but Berne Convention is available.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works
November 19th, 2007 at 10:30 pm
Man it is like restricting anime fans from BREATHING!!! WHY DOES ODEX WANT TO KILL US!! WHY CAN’T THEY JUST LEAVE THE STATUS QUO!!! AND LET US LIVE OUR LIVES WATCHING ANIME!!!!!
November 19th, 2007 at 10:34 pm
Xillon, indeed.
Odex does NOT have distribution rights outside of SE Asia.
But Berne Convention gives provisions for copyright holders to enforce their rights even in countries where their works are not being distributed.
And the right holders, in this case the Japanese studios, have delegated that task to Odex. Again, I am not sure if it is something that can be legally delegated to a party who is not even a regional licensee for the work in question. But the fact remains that they have done so.
November 19th, 2007 at 10:45 pm
OK, this might just be me being daft, but how can a Singapore-based distributor/bastard company send out these things on the charge on copyright infringement for series that aren’t even licensed yet and in territories(Europe, NA) they have absolutely no control over and don’t even operate in(I think)?
And how would this benefit them anyway?
November 19th, 2007 at 10:45 pm
Going by the right of the author, who will they claim are the actual “authors”? The original mangaka for anime produced after the manga? Or the publisher?
Because in this case, while
“Where the author cannot be identified, e.g., for anonymous works and collective works, the copyright is exercised by the original publisher.”
applies. The anime itself is still a derivative work of the author/mangaka.
November 19th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
hmm…anyone notice on the avpas website ( http://www.avpas.com.sg/AVPAS_Authorized.html )?? They have not updated their so-called authorized title…As referred to http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=58005, some of the anime (higurashi, gundam 00 and shugo clara) is not there in the list of avpas. So, is their moment of authorization in proper procedure, or they just whack all the new anime that are available on torrent???
November 19th, 2007 at 11:02 pm
Seems like the Japanese animation companies really want to get rid of fansubs. First asking for the help of the U.S. to stop circulating fansubs, then now this.
Time to start learning Japanese?
November 19th, 2007 at 11:14 pm
bakabakashi:
Or Odex/AVPAS is too lazy to keep that list updated.
November 19th, 2007 at 11:24 pm
Aren’t they attacking WRONG targets?
Trackback from
Odex out for world domination! « Sekai wa、 Utsukushii deshou?November 19th, 2007 at 11:46 pm
[...] Read DarkMirage’s entry. [...]
November 19th, 2007 at 11:51 pm
Chraen:
Raws might come under attack too. The whole fiasco is over alleged sales lost through downloads of anime episodes by p2p. These actions are probably not going to increase sales anyway.
so does anyone know if perfectdark/share are safe?
November 19th, 2007 at 11:53 pm
there’s not enough channels in america that show anime for there to be anything more than fansubs, at least not in my region. without fansubs I wouldn’t've bought most of the anime I own, and some of the anime I downloaded might not make it over here, but that doesn’t mean I’ll not look up the company’s other works and watch them, then probably buy them. But if they did what radiohead did (http://digg.com/music/New_Radiohead_album_In_Rainbows_pay_what_you_think_it_s_worth) which is pay what you want for their work (which could be 0) and/or buy the box which has extra features that are not with the download….. now that would be cool………
November 19th, 2007 at 11:58 pm
Enzer Miliard:
This is why the corporate brass really ought to get their heads of the rotten, reeking, retarded 1950s copyright butt-plan they are adhereing to. This goes for every industry affected by filesharing, movies, TV shows, anime, music. (games too, though game companies seem to be keeping quiet for now).
November 19th, 2007 at 11:59 pm
quendidil – True, raws may come under attack as well. From the way things are going, I will probably end up finding a new hobby.
I’m not exactly sure that it’s still about sales lost now – the Japanese studios seem to just want to cut down on infringements of their copyright. What damage do fansubs do to their sales after all?
November 20th, 2007 at 12:03 am
I suspect that Odex’s international action has something to do with their rolling out their video online service. There was this article in the Chinese newspaper interviewing Goh at the anime convention (?) in Tokyo. He mentioned their video online will be available this month and they were trying to convince the Japanese that their business model can protect their works. Maybe they are cracking down internationally just to show the Japanese.
November 20th, 2007 at 12:44 am
…now Odex is trying to kill out fansub dl-ing in USa and france?
doesn’t look very good imo, things could complicate if some company like ADV joins in and make another big fuss.
I wonder how Odex even get the revenue to do such insane things.
November 20th, 2007 at 1:27 am
>I wonder how Odex even get the revenue to do such insane things.
That is what I’d like to know too.
I hope it does not create some kind of legal “wave” for other distributors. The last thing you’d want is every country taking action like ODEX is doing.
Then you’d have to route everything through a secure channel. blarg.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:04 am
i guess odex just sucks, they are just desperate for money. what they are doin is violation of country authority… or something like that. who in the world they think they are to lecture other country and even send letters to the creating anime country, which is japan?
November 20th, 2007 at 2:09 am
OK, for those who are willing to hear me out.
One of Odex’s directors have a sort of indirect financial backing from an unlisted company in China, so they are more than willing to splurge on this nonsensical spree. Can somebody find me that link to the company’s shareholder info?
2nd, it’s a step backwards, but as RIAA fiasco goes, Odex is emulating the same fiasco. So people, relakks. It’s not a penalty goal yet (albeit an on-target shot).
3rd, Odex is playing Mr. Sheriff here. The only challenge you need to face are those who created the shows. Face it: Odex is like a Jack Thompson & Uwe Boll combined into one.
4th, this is a final “face-saving” measure by Odex to scare the hell out of anime fans. If anything goes, everyone knows Odex now, and everyone will equate Odex with all the RIAA negativity.
5th: I guess the Big 5 Content Providers are too late on this scales of economics. Odex has shot itself by acting the same way as the Big 5, and I wish all of them to hell and back. (I bloody love this blog post!)
Now, guys, it’s time for you to send out your zigs, Zakus, Justice & Freedom (or for that matter, any Gundam models from any timeline series), arm slaves, armored core (for the hardcore), any sentai robots, F-18s, Su-34s, whats-that-Kamina-drill-thingy and all arsenal.
Time for some otaku payback time.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:11 am
Now it’ll be much harder to download anime. It may be a nightmare if we have to watch ODEX’s shitty “legal” stuffs, instead of getting good quality videos.
Trackback from
A Message from Odex to the World - All Your Animes Are Belong To Us! « .:~+┼ ĻũşŤřŏůŞ Ŗꥼm ┼+~:.November 20th, 2007 at 2:12 am
[...] scale. You could say that I’m actually quite surprised over this news when I first read Dark Mirage’s entry. Don’t believe me? Here’s an evidence. Contact BayTSP, authorized agent for ODEX [...]
November 20th, 2007 at 2:15 am
TP : http://sgcafe.com/showthread.php?t=36640
November 20th, 2007 at 2:17 am
Seriously, when will all this shit by Odex finally ends? They are seriously trying to wipe out animes from the face of the earth just like an epidemic. Yes a good word to describe them would be ‘epidemic’.
To them, this is justice. To us, this is exactly the same as mental tortures.
Trackback from
Odex Declares War Against The World » Thoughts » Neko Kyou’s Anime BlogNovember 20th, 2007 at 2:25 am
[...] Odex is back and this time, they are trying to screw not only Singaporean anime fans, but the entire world. What? Yes, you heard that right. Odex probably spent all their Singaporean dollars and decided that its much more profitable to attack where there are more fishes with bigger currencies. This includes USA, France and Japan. [...]
November 20th, 2007 at 2:30 am
well, even if they wan to stop illegal downloading, do they have to interfere other countries’ business? i mean, i am not from japan or where, i am a singaporean, and with them interfering with other country, its like we are somehow desperate to kill people not to stop illegal downloading, but for money. get wut i mean?
November 20th, 2007 at 2:47 am
Does ODEX license Hentai? because if they don’t, there’s still hope. orz.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:53 am
You gotta wonder what comcast is thinking, not disclosing its source and all. Makes you wonder if they fear that finding out it is a Singaporean company would make customers laugh. Making customers think they are under threat from a domestic company just seems to serve comcast’s purpose.
Also… THE CAKE IS A LIE, THE CAKE IS A LIE, THE CAKE IS A LIE!!! “Comcast is like, you’re gonna get sued. And you were like, NO WAY!! Wasn’t that so much fun?” lol
November 20th, 2007 at 5:38 am
I’m using Comcast OTL
November 20th, 2007 at 5:43 am
BTW DM, that picture is COMPLETELY misleading. ODEX DOES NOT have a cute goth loli leading them.
November 20th, 2007 at 7:43 am
And so the great anime wars begins…
I think some of the third world countries are safe because most of them don’t care much on “copyright”.
November 20th, 2007 at 8:04 am
GOD!!! whats friggin wrong with them man! Does it mean that anime series which are unliscened is not allowed too?
P/S:DM,may i use some of ur info on my blog? I will give credit to you and a link to the original post. thk you.
November 20th, 2007 at 8:25 am
IP-address? Since when does an IP-address prove anything?
1) In Europe most of the IP-addresses are dynamic, therefore it changes every time you dial in. (I don’t know if it’s the same with most Japanese and American providers.)
2) The IP-address doesn’t show the person using the computer.
3) It just takes a little mistake on part of the provider (misconfigured switch) and the IP shown is not yours.
So how on earth do they want to prove that the person receiving their letter/e-mail actually downloaded the stuff? This sh*t doesn’t proof anything.
Also, isn’t it a little bit snotty of them to think that their laws apply to everywhere else? US copyright laws don’t apply to everywhere else, German copyright laws don’t apply to everywhere else and Singaporean copyright laws don’t apply to everywhere else either. If I do something that is perfectly legal where I life, but would get me hanged in (e. g.) Iran, so what? It’s not like I can be prosecuted for that, because this is not Iran. It’s the same thing with copyright laws (different countries -> different laws).
That’s the reason why the RIAA and the MPAA can’t do anything against the Swedish BitTorrent tracker ‘The Pirate Bay’, the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) just doesn’t apply to Sweden.
That said, I just hope no one buys their crap. No one should financially support their school bully behaviour.
no cash -> no stupid copyright enforcement campaigns
November 20th, 2007 at 9:14 am
Shinn Agami@ For now, it might be even much safer downloading hentai than to download decent animes…
November 20th, 2007 at 10:11 am
well, they confiscated some servers from Pirate Bay, it didn´t help much…
Frankly speaking, I´m afraid, not for being sued but the way things are moving now feels like heading towards the ultra-controlled-big-brother-sees-you society that just doesn´t work in reality.
I just hope the stupid swedish government get´s a hold of this, then they´ll happily succumb to this idiocy and then hell will go out of busniess, not because to few souls are sent there but rather there won´t be enough place for everyone…
And when does fiction get reality? It seems to be that sooner or later there will be a V for Vendetta setting in real life. And it´s just closing in on everyone :(
And if something doesn´t sound right, I have to blame it on that it´s 3:11 AM here in sweden and I should have been in bed a long time ago.
November 20th, 2007 at 10:20 am
IPs may be dynamically assigned, I believe there are logs that are kept that show who was using which IP at the point in time, where they can refer back to when they catch hold of an IP.
And Fabian, the IP address in itself is actually a very weak case. What they`re doing is just to throw some legal looking letter, along with whatever little bits of evidence they have to scare you into thinking that you`d get your ass busted because they have lawyers and evidence, then you`d pay whatever renumerations they`d ask for.
I believe it`s been said before, but catching your IP on a torrent tracker is the equivalent of saying that you`ve robbed a convenient store because they saw you enter the store on the day itself, or because your name was planted at the scene of crime.
I`ve read up an article where this guy managed to get his name on a tracker without even using a BitTorrent client[something about the protocol being HTTP, so all he needed to do was to put the address of a tracker into his internet browser].
November 20th, 2007 at 10:38 am
Beowulf Lee:
I think that’s a guy…
Fabian:
Singapore copyright laws may not apply to you, but German copyright laws do. Odex can take legal actions against infringers under the laws of their own country.
November 20th, 2007 at 10:58 am
just so you guys know, they’re hated by the general population in sunny singapore :)
November 20th, 2007 at 12:07 pm
OH SHI- Wait… well, you can’t really tell from that picture.
You know, looking at how retarded the MPAA is, I highly doubt this will actually do anything. The only result I can think of would be giving Singapore in general a bad name amongst international anime fans (even though you guys hate them the most).
November 20th, 2007 at 12:12 pm
Leon: not really.
Thanks to mainstream media bias against copy-infringement, the layman singaporean will have either have an ‘ok what’ idea of Odex or a ‘simi taiji’ attitude to the whole issue.
November 20th, 2007 at 12:50 pm
maybe, just maybe… we can team up and hammer their websites, massive spam their forums, or maybe terror his (sing) home address with death (fake) threat?
i think, I’m gonna start team up with you guys XEDO haters and urge people to POD’s (Ping of Death) or Access Diver their websites as daily basis… or, maybe you singaporeans can start sending fake dead thread mail (real-life mail) or throw fireworks at sing’s house.
or, we can put daily prank on these address?
HO KAM HAR (200,000 SGD shares)
10 PEIRCE HILL
SINGAPORE (248566)
PETER HO GO WEI (799,999 SGD shares)
11 ARDMORE PARK
#20-03
ARDMORE PARK
SINGAPORE (259957)
SING XIN YANG (1 SGD shares)
S7237725G
292 BISHAN STREET 22
#20-71
SINGAPORE (570292)
November 20th, 2007 at 12:59 pm
I’m scared nii-san.
November 20th, 2007 at 1:18 pm
I don’t see how ODEX have the rights to sue people in other countries since they are not the licensor in these countries.
November 20th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Lawliet:
The Japanese right holders have the right to take actions against copyright infringers in other countries. This is guaranteed by international treaties.
Therefore, by proxy, Odex can do the same if it has the specific consent of the Japanese right holders.
And it is highly likely that Odex does in fact have their blessings. Though with its penchant for secrecy, it’s hard to say for sure.
November 20th, 2007 at 1:30 pm
No one supported odex because of Low quality, bad subs…
not because people aren’t willing to pay….(though there is some …)
November 20th, 2007 at 1:38 pm
If Odex’s really authorised by the Japan anime companies, I seriously don’t see why these Japanese companies are putting so much trust into Odex. I’m sure these japanese companies earn a lot more licensing their anime to the american counterparts, so why not take action against downloaders through them (who have a wider reach)? Don’t they already see that the way Odex’s handling matters in this saga can be quite stupid at times?
And on Odex’s side, why is our Singaporean company doing so much internationally. Furthermore for free? (I don’t see what benefits they can get, other than publicity, in a negative manner) And I’m sure they already know what kind of negative impact it could generate for the company from the local backlash so far.
When will this whole crap ever end?
November 20th, 2007 at 1:52 pm
forceflow:
“Thanks to mainstream media bias against copy-infringement, the layman singaporean will have either have an ‘ok what’ idea of Odex or a ’simi taiji’ attitude to the whole issue.”
Considering that most software used at home in Singapore has been pirated for years, I daresay the mainstream media doesn’t have much of a hold on the concept of copy-infrigement. Though of course, like the Americans and the British, they might try to connect any form of filesharing to child porn.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:08 pm
Odex has just shot themselves with the biggest bullet yet. There are two ways they can try to explain themselves out of this, and both end up badly for them:
1. They say “Yes, we did intend to send letters worldwide”. Of course, our copyright laws don’t apply to other countries, and they’ll be screwed over for being busybodies.
2. They say “No, we didn’t intend to send letters worldwide”. This means that BayTSP’s IP investigatives methods are flawed, thereby casting doubt on all the settlements and customer information they demanded for.
Nice job, you guys; saves us the trouble of having to put you out of your misery ourselves.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:23 pm
SMSed peter of odex today about this matter and his response is this
“Thank you for telling me, i was aware of it yesterday and the problem is fixed” quote Peter Go
And the problem he is referring to, is “misfiring of ur(odex’s) warning email” by baytsp “to others around the world” Quoting my own SMS
November 20th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
lol.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:54 pm
Unless something drastic happens, it seems funny this was a mistake, but I can’t help wonder, who’s to say this won’t happen again? Even if it was a mistake, baytsp was successful in targeting everyone around the world and putting a scare in everyone’s heart given the responses in every anime-related area. Even if odex fixes their mistake and retargets only singapore downloaders, who’s to say another company won’t fill in their shoes and officially do it worldwide?
November 20th, 2007 at 2:56 pm
@tueac
What?!! you mean its all a ‘misfiring!!! I pity those guys who did what the letters told them to do.
November 20th, 2007 at 2:59 pm
Forceflow: yea, thats what most of them will say :P a typical singaporean will eat what the media feeds him/her.
The media can say: Oh Person A is bad, everyone will agree without thinking.
November 20th, 2007 at 3:20 pm
lol. But personally, I feel a bit disappointed. If the threats were genuinely targeted at international downloaders, Odex might have been nailed down.
November 20th, 2007 at 3:23 pm
Misfiring could also mean “Shit! We sent out the wrong letter, that had our name on it!”
Problem being fixed would then mean that they had sent out the right letter that doesn’t include the word “Odex” in it.
November 20th, 2007 at 3:36 pm
How about some archery, people?
I need to attend trainings more often instead of holing up at home going crazy over Ayako-sama’s voice in Sky Girls. XD
Whatever the outcome, how about diversifying our time use? I’d say that it’s a good time to start thinking of the future. Perhaps even studying a little more’s a decent option, no?
November 20th, 2007 at 4:55 pm
OMG even Gundam 00 is being traced? WHAT THE F***???
Darko is it still safe to watch Gundam 00?
November 20th, 2007 at 5:29 pm
Bastards.
I hope, really hope, that someone gets annoyed enough to do something permanant- Unfortunately, given how anime fans are largely normal people, it’s unlikely that it’ll happen. Oh, well…I’ll just resign myself to praying religiously for them to catch painful and fatal cancers- It has to work sometime! ^_^
November 20th, 2007 at 5:43 pm
It just shows that the technology and methodology used isn’t that reliable, or accurate, to be claiming around $3-$5k for.
IP harvesting ftw, maybe even I could set up XEDO Int. Ltd to send DMCA notices to Japan.
Canada has also gotten fried, check out the ASuki thread, page 15.
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November 20th, 2007 at 6:07 pm
Aww, and here I was expecting a big show.
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November 20th, 2007 at 6:37 pm
@manga: “Frankly speaking, I´m afraid, not for being sued but the way things are moving now feels like heading towards the ultra-controlled-big-brother-sees-you society that just doesn’t work in reality.”
Sometimes I get the impression that politicians just need to loudly shout “Terrorism!” to get any law passed. It looks like the general public and the mass media really is that dumb. -_-”
@zs: Of course there are these kind of logs, until they get deleted after a few days. The ISPs over here usually collect this data only for accounting reasons and they don’t need this data if the customer has an internet flat rate. Most internet users over here do have a flat rate, therefore their logs will be deleted in a matter of weeks (or even days).
Good providers won’t easily give away these logs anyway. Odex is not the police and not the prosecution authority, therefore the ISP may or may not give them the log. They usually won’t give it to them, unless there is a law that forces them to do so. The reasoning behind this decision is pretty simple:
suspected person = paying customer
Odex/copyright holder = annoying third party
Once again I’m not sure how this is handled in other countries.
@DarkMirage: True, but they would have to check the laws of every country closely and not just the copyright laws.
e. g.: If they would really go as far as to sue the suspected person they have to be sure that they can easily get a hold on evidence. If the ISP doesn’t have to cooperate they usually won’t cooperate because they don’t want to upset their paying customers. Also there may be things like bagatelle clauses in the local laws or formalities they have to consider etc.
Well, show’s over anyway. :)
November 20th, 2007 at 7:55 pm
correction: “I hope that the swedish government DO NOT get hold of this…”
Man, must have been more tired than I knew to miss such an important thing.
@ Fabian: I´d rather say that the media is just out for making money and what´s better to have? People who think for themselves or people who take the media seriously in everything? The best moneymaking stuff is the people who don´t think and take the media dead seriously.
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[...] sheriff BayTSP. ODEX ne se sent pas vraiment l’âme d’un justicier planétaire. Quel dommage! Voici ce qu’en dit DarkMirage: UPDATE 20/11/2007: I have confirmations from an Odex employee that the whole thing was [...]
November 20th, 2007 at 8:32 pm
This may be a bit off topic, but I think “Godwin’s Law be damned” would make a great bumper sticker.
November 20th, 2007 at 8:37 pm
… wow… a small mistake which probably caused foreigners in distant lands to pee in their pants….. O_o
… at least those letters didn’t ask them to go to Odex headquarters, or those foreigners would be on planes coming to Singapore XD
….
Wait… Imagine if Odex request them to come to hq, I wonder how many new “tourists” Singapore will gain =D
November 20th, 2007 at 8:39 pm
ODEX and BayTSP have dishonored the Japanese and the Japanese Anime Companys they claim to represent bringing much SHAME to Japan, the Japanese Anime Companies and, their Japanese employees. This much SHAME for the Japanese involved in the Anime business will be hard to live down. The is a big loss of FACE for the Japanese, Japanese Anime Companies and Japanese people working for them.
I have no SHAME or anything to be ashamed of.
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November 20th, 2007 at 9:16 pm
@manga: “I´d rather say that the media is just out for making money and what´s better to have? People who think for themselves or people who take the media seriously in everything? The best moneymaking stuff is the people who don´t think and take the media dead seriously.”
It’s too bad that this kind of people are the majority. I guess we have to distinguish between the internet crowd and “normal” people. I’ve the impression that there are (proportionally) far more people questioning the things they see in the news in the internet crowd, than there are in the “normal” crowd. The latter are still the majority.
I’m also not so sure if the so-called independent media really is that independent. Over here the government hardly censors newspapers and TV news, but I’m quite sure that corporate censorship does happen. Companies paying for a lot of ads can easily get an editor or reporter fired, if he writes something they don’t like or if he voices an inconvenient opinion.
This is one of the reasons why it’s great that blogs like this exist. The mainstream media just don’t have the variety of opinions that the blogosphere has.
Argh.., I always type meido when I want to type media. -_-”
November 20th, 2007 at 10:33 pm
Regarding the Odex employee DM, is he a reliable source?
Actually I would prefer if the information came from the bosses themselves.
Right now, I think I will just trust the employee and hopefully I won’t get a dinner f*** for my next watching of Gundam 00.
November 20th, 2007 at 11:37 pm
Thing is…did ODEX licensed Gundam 00? It wasn’t stated in the AVPAS website :S(I remember ODEX is still trying to get the rights to it)
November 21st, 2007 at 12:21 am
LOL, and here i was thinking that perhaps BayTSP had some measure of professionalism…
November 21st, 2007 at 12:49 am
Lol, can’t wait to see ODEX filling lawsuits against people in Czech republic ^____^ You’d better pay some good translators and get ready for several years of postponing, rescheduling and appeals to higher instances … :)
November 21st, 2007 at 12:53 am
Damn that ODEX, not only on Singapore, on my country (VERY)hate them too….
November 21st, 2007 at 1:37 am
Oh wait guys, i think for you guys, to those whom getting a lawsuit against XEDO, there’s a “FINAL OPTION” before you get fines. if you really hate XEDO and think that you can get anime later, or if you really had a good friends.
This is kinda tricky, but hey… we’ll get to see XEDO suited you for an empty evidence, is it funny enough?
here, take a lookie here:
http://dban.sourceforge.net/
That program should wipe out your entire HDD of by destroying the MBTR of the HDD. put all of your anime inside one HDD and enjoy your anime before XEDO e-mailed you. then… if you get “teh e-mail”, use that program. wait a few while before XEDO put you in the court, or you can simply taunt them by replying the e-mail with an “F” word or something else.
what next? XEDO should put you in court. then, they’ll raid your home for an evidence. they should see your computer, and… NOTHING! they’ll be fine for a character flaw (you in this case..) and they’ll be charged with any sum amount of money of your like (and to pay for your lawyer too!). then they’ll gone. nothing happen. Voala.
now? your anime is gone. but dont worry, there’s should be a lot of data recovery service from your countries. like seagate recovery center or something else… or, you can put all your collection in one place (like DVD or something else) and throw them where they cant find them. like your another otaku’s house for example? beneath a rock in a bay? be creative.
November 21st, 2007 at 2:22 am
Hm are you sure it’s a mistake? Well I guess it would make sense, since Odex was sueing for alleged loss of profits due to anime downloads, and no such loss of profits can come from people in other countries downloading titles that they don’t even provide in their own country…
November 21st, 2007 at 11:14 am
Yeah… Since when was Gundam 00 licensed?
Well, I guess this might be the beginning of the end for all casual anime viewers.
I just love walking into Comics Connection and seeing the huge stacks of Xedo anime VCDs on the shelves. No one seems to be buying them and I hope no one in future ever will.
Down with Xedo and down with oppression.
Free Burma!
November 21st, 2007 at 11:28 am
This is comedy gold.
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November 21st, 2007 at 2:54 pm
Guess what. Pg4 of the New paper Wednesday. Odex sent the letters by mistake, XD Apparently it was meant only for Singapore.
November 21st, 2007 at 3:06 pm
Someone somewhere is going to have to pay for the postage and processin off all these non SIngapore notices that got mailed. ODES may just get stuck with the bill.
LIke I said before this bring MUCH SHAME and DISHONOR to JAPANESE ANIME COMPANIES and their JAPANESE EMPLOYEES. Perhaps they need to rethink their relations with ODEX.
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November 21st, 2007 at 9:13 pm
The notices were all sent through e-mail..
November 21st, 2007 at 9:41 pm
Everyone is going ‘wtf’ on a global scale.
November 22nd, 2007 at 3:01 pm
One word “FAIL”.
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November 23rd, 2007 at 5:00 pm
1 Word “PITY”
November 25th, 2007 at 6:09 pm
Clap clap. Great job Odex. You’re now screwing yourself up globally.
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:23 am
LOL it’s like something have repeated itself. 1 dare to enter and the rest follow
December 6th, 2007 at 1:55 pm
Curse, Odex! Yes, I have been living under a rock as I didn’t know any of these going-ons recently or further in the past, but…
So my university must be phenomenally slow, but guess what I got in my school e-mail’s inbox today? Two Copyright Infringement Violation Notices from our “Information Technology Issues Management,” alerted courtesy of BayTSP (at the beginning of November, no less, wonder what took them so long to tell me?). Still, it’s nice to have the delay so I can know that BayTSP and Odex were being idiots, and I don’t have to worry about that part (sending in a statement of compliance and whatnot). But the heart of the matter is, my school probably won’t care that they were alerted by mistake or not, as far as filesharing using their network goes. So, what to do? Is torrenting and IRC gone for the rest of my four years (I’m only a freshman, dang it!) since they already have two things filed about me and probably won’t be happy if some freak chance alerts them again?
*sigh* And I was just starting to enjoy this internet speed which has got to be more than 10x faster than mine at home…
November 17th, 2008 at 4:35 am
It’s probably futile to ask/post here, but I’ll do that anyway.
Could someone tell me the source or artist of that “Odex is Back” picture? I’d really like that goth loli to be on my desktop…